I'd been interested in holosync for a long time but i wasn't sure about trying it out, mainly because of the expense. After I-I's endorsement of the product I decided to try it and got the awakening prologue.
It's a good product and has definately helped with my meditation, and it's also helped my insomnia.
What i find tremendously off-putting though is the constant barrage of marketing from centerpointe.
The OMG BUY NOW BEFORE THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME OFFER EXPIRES approach always smells extremely fishy to me. I was informed by centerpoint that i had only 30 days to buy the next level at an UNBELIEVABLY discounted price, I didn't take the bait, the 30 days passed and then suddenly the clock was magically reset and i had ONLY 30 DAYS all over again. Then there's the 'headphones" section of the site, the claim there being:

"We're now pleased to offer high-quality Sony headphones for your use with the Holosync program.

We called all over the country, including huge New York City wholesalers, and none of them could beat these prices for Sony headphones! Since we aren't an electronics retailer, we can afford to drop prices to well below manufacturer's suggested retail price.

If you've been limited to buying the bargain-basement, no-name headphones to save money, you'll be amazed at the difference of a great pair of headphones."

and offering sony mdr-v600's for "only" $112 - a quick google search revealed these headphones are about half-price or significantly cheaper everywhere else. So centerpointe are selling them at a huge markup. For me this just totally erodes their credibility. (Do they think we don't have google?) While I did enjoy awakening prologue i've been totally put off buying anything else from them. It makes me wonder why I-I have so wholeheartedly endorsed centerpointe.

Maybe someone who has had some long term experience with holosync can comment on whether it's worth sticking it out through the marketing b.s and constant lower-tier marketing practices?

Joel

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Thanks Schalk, which of their products do you use? How does it compare to holosync?

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i don't know .. but sure am enjoying bill harris' free "mastering eckhart tolle's the power of now" series

so far he has had conversations with our well-loved favorites .. first genpo roshi .. then ken .. then diane hamilton

at the time of signing up for the series .. opted for the free holosync sample which has arrived in the mail and awaits to be opened

do i have to do it with headphones ?

i was going to play it on the speakers of my computer while i sat on the floor beside it

 

 

Hey guys,

I'm completely new to the gadget scene. I googled the 'Zen Master' and checked out the link Schalk provided.

Why personally would one be interested in this? Would it be for a State experience? Would it be akin to a drug induced 'trip' but with potentially less side effects? Exogenous State change? A taste before the structural growth and catch up? Time and place none the less but still exogenous?

I'm not being critical at all. I have no point of reference at the moment and they're my guesses.

How do the lights work? (And I'm not after an Alexander Bell answer :)) Where are they and how do they affect brain states?

Sorry if these are silly questions

Kelly :)

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Kelly, I'll let someone who knows like Schalk answer your question, but I'll mention that I spoke with the company last week having been stimulated by these comments, and I was told by one fellow that if we wait a month or two there will be newly improved and upgraded units available - this of course will only matter if you get interested enough.

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Thank you for filling me in on this aspect of the gadget scene Ambo and Schalk.

Schalk, you pretty much answered all my related questions except for how it feels and the exogenous long term influence on State Stages which can only be experiential.

I did read that it's not recommended for people with a history of epilepsy also.

The biggest thing I'm curious about is the affect on sleep. Recently, my sleep has been dense with dreams. Although they are rarely disturbing and not even eventful or emotional, I find myself not waking up refreshed, which the ongoing nature of this is new to me. Another factor in this is that it's Winter here and although our Winters are nothing like in the States (50-70F and we get daylight :)) it's still the season for hibernation relatively speaking. So maybe a gadget will be my next investment.

Thank you guys for expanding my technological horizons :)

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Good to see a bit of activity in this thread although i'd still like some feedback on my 'issues' with centerpointe. The product does, i feel, work (only have the awakening prologue). I have felt some benefits, especially around helping with my insomnia. I just really don't like the mixed messages i get from centerpointes agressive and in some cases, false marketing. My feeling right now is that the marketing has put me off any sort of long-term commitment to using the holosync program.

binaural technology does work, i've used a couple of products and theyre sort of like the "ab-machine" for meditation - ie one can get results without too much individual effort. useful in some circumstances, especially during very busy work periods etc. Some of these technologies have been discussed in other holosync threads on the forum. (bwgen - http://www.bwgen.com/ etc)


@ Fairyfaye - you do need to use headphones for the holosync sample cd - the technology only works with headphones.

assagai, I don't have any personal knowledge to give you but have you checked out these two holosync threads from not so long ago?

http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/30050.aspx
http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/37773.aspx

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Dear assagai:   There is a conversation in the archives with KW and Bill (Harris?)  I should know his name well with all the paper I got from him.   KW has said that there is still nothing as good as Meditation and I cannot remember how long ago that was.   On one of the tapes from Kosmos, he speaks a bit about the technnology side of testing and research that gives some clues.

If I had chosen to spend money for the whole set, I would have done that.  Like most of us, I have to pick and choose.  And then they have retreats etc.  I really did get results from the first ones you get with the signing up.   I think I had about 10 tapes and it was also worth it since the marketing was evidently seductive enough to get me to that point or I thought there might be something to it.   As for the cost, in the sense of judging that, I always have to look at the problem and it is the buyers problem to decide.   There is a ton of money being spent to support Integral .  I just figured that the deal I get is worth it to me.  A lot of bang for the bucks.  It is an entirely different set up and Integral benefits from those of us on-line and we benefit from Integral.  That may  not be your way of looking at it, I just am saying that I wrestled with this.

I would love to have the whole thing.  There are other products out there that would make my life more healthy and comfortable and I have limits financially.   You will not get cheated and this is not a sleazy company, in my estimation.  I got a lot out of what I do have.   After using it for awhile.  the chair I was sitting in started to go around.  It was a recliner and it would go for the circle but when it came to the back wall could not go on without bumping , so it would stop and go back around the semicircle (a little larger) to the other side. and stop and go back.   I am aware that this was all coming from me  and that chair was not moving or moving by some motion that moved it by brain waves or thoughts.  At least I am pretty sure.  I am not too savy about tech stuff.  I know a good bit about the brain and their are some pretty big things going on there.  I just guessed my observation.  What it did do was bring the most wonderful relaxation and I think there is definitely a place for this.

The book, "Shadow Syndrones" by Haley  has a chapter at the end about the future and suggests that when we go to the gym we will also put things on our head while doing the treadmill or bycicle  (as an example) that will be doing all sorts of things to make us feel better, do better and do new things.  And it will be through the sound tech - not words.  Yes, I would definitely get Holysync if it was in my budget.   The pratice of doing this and meditation is what is so important and I have a feeling that both will always be with us.   After all, it is the Precious Human Body that is needed for both.  That is a thought that speaks to me and may not to all.  Hope this helps.  Pattye

There's a third, good, even older, holosync thread here somewhere. You could find it searching on my posts.

The Bill Harris IN dialogs are good, it's what got me interested (along with the Leonard Schlain IN dialogs on hemispheric connectivity).

You do have to use stereo headphones for Holosync to work.

I recommend it.

Assagai,

Sorry to bring a tangent to your original question.

Personally, I wouldn't let a mildly sleezy marketing strategy stop a good buy, provided there are no strings attached. (Same as I wouldn't let an amateur marketing strategy). I'm not sure about the holosync program specifically. I've since discovered one of my friends purchased holosync years ago and the purchasing never stopped. From what I have gathered, I would personally prefer what Schalk suggested : The Zen Master but once again, that's a personal preference not based on much.

Re: Centerpoints's strategy. They would have hired some dude to figure out a way to get as many people to experience their product. They may have found that the most effective way to spread the word was sleezy marketing. That says nothing about the initial motivation or intention that the developers of holosync had in mind that potentially could have been for the world to become 'enlightened', for example. Marketing doesn't always match the product. Marketing is about motivating people through their values to take action now or very soon and let go of some money in the process.

I'm picking that I-I supports the quality of product rather than the marketing strategy.

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