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Last post 03-24-2008, 2:20 PM by GeorgeLarson. 33 replies.
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  •  12-24-2006, 10:02 PM 17144 in reply to 1753

    Re: Help us build ISC

    John (I'm assuming everyone here is okay with first names)

    I'd very much like to hear about your approach to IS, as it applies to a couple of previous posts in this forum. Are you still active in the Mormon Church? If so, how do you think you would react if someone came to your place of worship and offered to help you merge your tradition and institution with Islam, Judaism, Roman and Eastern Orthodox Catholicism, etc?

    I haven't made it all the way thru KW's IS yet. But I have to admit that I came to the conclusion years ago that organized religions (at least every one that I know of, and I've studied, though not practiced, most of the majors) are getting in the way of our spiritual growth rather than aiding it, because they are more focused on maintaining their own institutions, traditions, and (if I may also be a bit confrontational) paychecks.

    Don't get me wrong, I seriously, sadly miss the last church (Congregational) that I belonged to. It was a warm and loving community, and I had a wonderful relationship with the ministers and many in the congregation. In some ways, my life is poorer without that. But I couldn't continue pretending to believe in the myth of the deity of Christ, and his crucifixion and resurrection as "the way" to salvation.

    Nor do I see a reason to limit my spiritual belief and practice to the teachings of Buddha or Mohammed or Ken Wilber. There is truth and richness in all of these traditions. To stick to just one is like saying I'll only eat yellow vegetables, or I'll only read novels by Steinbeck, or I'll only submit to medical practices approved by the AMA. What a small, sad (and probably unhealthy) life that would be.
  •  10-13-2007, 11:28 AM 29937 in reply to 187

    Re: Help us build ISC

    Hello,

    In order to work together to make ISC a truly vibrant community of learners and teachers I have a couple of questions. What I would like to know is: are there also people on ISC from other places than  the USA? I am living in the Netherlands and I would like to know if there would be opportunities to have seminars about ISC in Europe. I am interested in hosting such a seminar to create more awareness for ISC in the Netherlands. If you have any suggestions or more information I would be very pleased.

    Warm greetings, Annemieke

  •  02-16-2008, 2:10 AM 39412 in reply to 187

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    Hello Perera and everyone else that reads me here,

    I have explored Ken's work for over 10 years now, amidst many other adventures. I find the integral approach to be something that has been already with me, along with a vision I had in 1995 of sitting at tables with the cutting edge folks of every field of human focus, in dialogue, heart contact, debate, etc. to really embrace on another's passions and perspectives, as well as sculpt off what is fat in the collective body so to speak in how to be oneself/ones Self/with others/Other.

    I began making lists. I began studying different forms of sharing informations. I began exploring different spiritual traditions. I began diving into the psycho-emotional healing modalities to see how I could heal/cleanse/rewhole my lens to be a better man and vessel to live seemlessly with all the is, having fun, raising a family, and the like.

    So after years of many different hats, professions, travels inside and out, I am finding myself at a crossroads, or new chapter.

    One of my perceptions, and I am not yet sure if this is a false one, is that the addressing of one's shadow is higly underdeveloped in I-I. I find the 3-2-1 process is a good beginning for some exploration, but a bit simplistic. I have not yet found more depth there in true transformative psycho-emotional practice here. I find a lot of highly functional people, highly intelligent, awake, etc. But as far as emotionally mature, I think our current criteria for what that is and entails is still new frontier. And as spiral dynamics speaks to, underdevelopment in any given area affects the lens through which a stabalized state is accessed and expressed through. What are your thoughts/experiences with this?

    My other question I am sitting with at the moment, is around leadership and the Gen X and Y folks, which I am a part of; How does an integral leader, lead individuals and groups that are not of integral ilk yet, but that have more financial power and prowess, respecting their perspectives without arrogantly pushing their more evolved space and consciousness choices onto the underdeveloped life choices/desires?

    Simply, how does an integralist lead and live with those of non-integral perceptions and desires? Live by example yes, respond from this place of experience and knowing, deeply feel and see the 'other'. But how does the Integralist and the KKK member meet? If I am understanding this right, 2/3 tier sees the value of each and how they each support and need one another, and leads/lives from that place.

    How does the more essential hierarchy, that an integralist experiences, get integrated into a system where the majority of those involved do not sense and live with the reality of that hierachy? This speaks to how God Evolves in Itself, and the challenges of that especially through us.

    If you are 35 and under... do you have a thriving community of integral/zaadz-like Stuart's and Vid's with their accompany feminine goddesses to share and reflect with one another?

    Where is talk of the integral Family? What does integral in the home feel like for you?

    The other piece I am sitting with is the pressing requirement, imo, of leaders of all kinds having a new bar to meet in being integrous/responsible (and needing to somehow pass tests that they have proved to be responsible for) of their shadow, and still not seeing adaquate means/criteria there. Without a new developed criteria for what emotional health is, feels like, looks like, etc, besides the maslowian structures, ego developmental lists, and functionality as the bar, I feel we will continue to run into the subtle and gross levels of walls that Transcendentalized, Awakened, and Hedonists alike have internally. And these walls will continue to perpetuate a myth of the Ego and its shadow as the bain to Evolution, rather than its saving grace. 

    warmly interested in your theelings (thoughts and feelings),

    Eric

    you can also email me: divinity77@hotmail.com

    PS. If none of this makes sense, forgive me, its early in the am.

     

  •  03-24-2008, 2:20 PM 42413 in reply to 39412

    Re: Help us build ISC

    I replied personally to Eric but I'm going to nutshell it here.

    I'm a Buddhist, so I am nice to everybody -- even people with whom I disagree.

    KKK people, for me, have little to make me angry.  They have 'personal' problems with which they haven't learned to cope. 

    They try to feel better by assuming that an enire group of people is lesser.

    Simply put, many of them bury their insecurities by seeking others' inferiorities..

    That's my opinion at least,
    g





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