Fiddling around with my lines and quadrants (from another post here), I came up with a beautiful combination of the developmental stages as they spiral through the quadrants.  Our development starts out in the Individual quadrants in Infrared, and then moves into the group quadrants in Magenta and then Red, and then back to the individual quadrants, but with a higher level of understanding in Amber and then Orange world-centric, and so on adding perspectives to the different quadrants and going from Individual Interior to Individual Exterior to Group Interior and finally Group Exterior.

I made a pretty diagram!  It's much easier to understand with a picture...  Go here: AQAL Spiral

One of the intersting things about this discovery is that the first tier is the ethno-centric perspective (Infrared, Magenta, and Red), and then the second tier is the world-centric perspectives (Amber, Orange, Green, and Teal), and the third tier is universe-centric perspectives (Turquoise, Indigo, Violet, and Ultraviolet), and then onto Clear light.  I also had to flip the lower quadrants so that Group Interior came after Individual Exterior in a clockwise direction, so that the spiral would, well, spiral.

And there's definitely still something to the idea of lines being groups of quadrants, too... But I'm really, really tired now.  And I need to stop thinking so hard for a while and let my little brain rest...

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-Turtle

Thanks Turtle, for the "pretty (damn good) diagram" !

I've wondered about AQAL analysis for which the "occasion" is a compound/stream occasion, wondering if the spacial analogy of nested hierarchy has a temporal componant of "next-ed" hierarchy.

Thus far your Spiral is so much more well conceived than my attempt to envision an application of a quadrant enneagram, or even what a quadrant enneagram can be.

That your picture would be worth-a-thousand-words would be way cheap. I love it.

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If you're talking about each level's dominant trait, it may be useful, though I still disagree with which quadrant is emphasized in each level.

Also, all 4 quadrants arise at each level.  You can't collapse the other 3 quadrants into 1 without excluding a whole lot of data.  It is also notable that at some levels, it may appear that only 1 quadrant exists because the other 3 simply have not been documented or recognized, or they may not have evolved yet.  This is also what I try to agrue on my "debunking 2nd tier" post in this forum.  It is simply incomplete to associate any stage with only 1 or 2 quadrants, when a healthy stage requires all 4 quadrants to be well developed.  I honestly believe our definitions of stages are very incomplete to date.  We need to fill in the other quadrants so we have a fully functioning self at all 4 quadrants at each stage, which I believe is possible.

There's a bit of a discontinuity of existence that I feel when looking at this.  How can I exist at an IT quadrant and actually develop, landing in a WE quadrant?  Where did the WE quadrant come from?  Does it not also develop from Infra Red?  I believe it does, so we don't jump from one quadrant to another.  A development level at one quadrant doesn't pop into existence.  Also, you cannot transition knowledge from one quadrant into another quadrant, since they simply are different forms of knowledge, so a development of each quadrant at each stage in necessary.  All 4 quadrants co-develop, and I believe that is the key.  It is incomplete to not fully develop all 4 quadrants at each stage.

I may just be a nut (in which case, I belong in a tree), but I will preach my calling for complete development of all 4 quadrants at each stage and stress it until the cows come home.  Anything less is a shortcut and incomplete.

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Absolutely, all quadrants do indeed have an important effect at every level, it's just the primary focus and value for the individual at a given level seems to fall into one of the four quadrants in a particular pattern.  So for Orange, an individual is focused on asserting his self and demonstrating his abilities to the world - which makes sense if you are in the individual-agentic (self-exterior) (IT) quadrant.  The orange person clearly has a whole other life, where he's looking for interiority and collective experiences as well, it's just that the primary drive/motivation at that point is individual-agentic.

Also, as you might notice, as the spiral gets bigger, it "transends and includes" the previous quadrants that the individual has successfully moved beyond.  So you not only are focused on the quadrant you are "in" at your currsent level, but you have a solid set of the other quadrants to work with too.   And if your experiences in one of the previous quadrants starts completely sucking,  your whole self will suffer, and you might even regress temporarily (like what might happen to you if you were seriously injured, or being tortured).

I'll also point out that clearly, the first few years of a human's life - where you goes through the four quadrants for the first time - are clearly very important, as these interior-self, exterior-self, interior-collective, and exterior-collective experiences shape the whole individual for the rest of your life (though not necessarily permanantly).  By my observation, healthy kids will complete the first full "self-/ethno-centric" cycle by the time they are 4-6 years old.  After that they've got a good solid base that grounds them to the world.

And I'm not quite sure what your question is about the Infra-red and the WE quadrant, but it seems to me that during the first two stages, self interior and self exterior, the entire world is experienced as self, and only once a "seperation" is identified, is the WE experience able to come about.  Does that make sense?

Anyway, thanks so much for offering your thoughts about this theory.  The more people ask me questions about it the more I can clarify what it means in my own head!

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-Turtle

I've updated my combined AQAL Spiral theory, and added lots of pretty pictures, and made it more accessable to the general public (simplified the language and diagram and removed the Wilberspeak).  I'm still not 100% happy with it, but I'm feeling like most of it is spot on.

Take a look: Spiral Growth theory

Feedback is highly encouraged!

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-Turtle