So I was wondering how people's different taste's fit in if there is ultimatly one Mind/Spirit. I'm talking about sense of humor and taste of music and such.

Basically, is there a "more right" taste in something?

Well the answer to your question is yes, but this needs some qualification.

If you imagine a triangle, on one base of the triangle you have what we could call the 'human' side'. On the other side, we have the 'Being' side. The human side includes all of your fallibilities, wants, idiosyncrasies and idiocies (!) The Being side is, well, it's best to experience it through the Big Mind process.

Then there is a third voice which is the Apex, which we move to after having spoken to the human side and the Being side (I'm referring to the actual process here: www.genpo.org) which includes and transcends both the human side and the Being side, so you get the Human Being.

So - on the human side, the part you would normally take to be you, you have preferences, right? You like chocolate ice cream and not vanilla ice cream, you prefer women over men, you like blue, you dislike permed hairstyles...

On the Being side, no-thing exists. It's all..., well it's better to experience it. But when you come back to the Apex, your desires are included but now sublimated, i.e. you're not quite as ruled by them as much (as much, yeah, the self still comes back after a while but the more you do the process the more distance you gain from the self).

The point is you are the Being, really, but you can only act from the Apex. So a human form is always necessarily this over that. I am short and not tall. I have brown hair and not blond hair. In Being, who it doesn't really matter. It's all empty. It can only be empty.

But at the Apex you are Being appearing as human, i.e. embodied or personified in human form. I like the Dutch word verpersoonlijking for it, because it means that your 'personality' is kind of slotted into the Being aspect, and is just a manifestation of it.

Hope this helps - anyway, go to www.zen-eye.org and actually do the process.

Love,

Dev.

thank you for the response. Yes, I have had the ILP kit for over a year now so I am familiar with Big Mind process and get some use out of it (I prefer just being skeptical about everything though. Buddha's last words, "Doubt everything, find your own light." And even Genpo Roshi said something along those lines in one of his Big Mind sessions)

But it seems that the way you described it, the answer to my question would be no.

In other words, I was wondering if (just on the relative side) the things you prefer could be due to the stages you have grown through.

i.e. - So I used to listen to this one kind of music that was rather shallow and such and as I grew and went through a lot of things my taste in music shifted drastically to what, i think, the censensus of people who are at the same stage as me, agree on to be the best music out there. Like we are all resonating on the same wavelength.

So I'm basically wondering, if were all one spirit, and we all grow to be as integral as possible...would there be some sort of mutual agreement on what the best music or humor is? (leaving out certain things such as food prefernces {so I can see some flaws in this})

Is there still some grey area when it comes to that or ultimatly not? (still on the relative side)

No - you're right, on the Absolute side, everything is arising just as it is, absolutely perfect, whole and complete, no need of improvements.

But on the relative side, that's not the case at all. I can see what you mean, but the fact that it's all One does not mean it's some kind of homogenous mush where there is no diversity. On the contrary. Spirit transcends and includes through the stages of consciousness.

Thus even on the relative side it's all One - all the Great Perfection, but there are still the ever-unfolding stages of consciousness which are an ever-receding horizon. We will never reach an Omega Point on that side of the street, or so it seems, as long as Spirit continues to throw itself out into the world in this continual efflux and reflux that is the Divine Game.

But on the Absolute side - none of it matters, because it was all no-thing and thus inherently perfect as it was to begin with.

Does that make sense?

Love,

D.

I AGREE D, WE WILL NEVER REACH AN OMEGA POINT, JUST LIKE TRYING TO REACH A WALL BY SUCCESSIVELY TAKING HALF THE DISTANCE TO THE WALL WITH EACH STEP. THERE IS ALWAYS AN INFINITE NUMBER OF STEPS LEFT TO REACH THE WALL.

I BELIEVE WE CAN TRAIN OURSELF TO COME FROM THIS GREAT PERFECTION. IT IS ALREADY ALWAYS COMPLETE.  COMING FROM , SPEAKING FROM , LISTENING FROM  THIS GROUND A BEING IS A DISTINCTION THAT THE SELF CONSCIOUSLY CREATES AND SPEAKS IT INTO EXISTENCE.  

SIMPLY SAY SO.....

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Bill Kilburg,

damn...I wish I could find where Ken talked aboout the Omega point and how it is ineveitably, and relativly quickly, approaching. I see where your coming from with the "never going to reach it" but in a way we are always already there and once we all realize that, there will be the "Omega point"

Like what if we could really reach this true omega point where all the world was always as integral as possible, everyone at the edge of infintiy together, everything figured out that can be, raising kids through these stages extremly effeciantly.
Isn't that be the ultimate point of evolution anyways?

btw. nothingness, why do you use all capital letters?

because thats what i do

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Bill Kilburg,

ok

I started to see the expression of the omega point take the form of calculus on this post. A infinite differetiation that is summated but not realized in the verticle. Currently time is understood through dialectics and uses calculus to get accurate on the horizontal. Integral philosophy has the three great domains of I, We and It but depends on the logic that specializes in each domain, which is still dialectical. I beleive the logic of integral is trialectics. Trialects sees the apriori set limits for change as being set from eternity so life is organized in the verticle from the umoving mover in the center of the horizontal storm. I give this idea of trialectics to you like a baby that needs to be nurtured till mature expression. This article is an OK summation. Integral could do much better and I am working on it.

http://www.tomislavbudak.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=51 

When I say Omega Point, I don't mean within time and space (although on the stages side, of course I do).

But otherwise, just speak to the Omega Point and you're there!

hello Omega Point

Well it was a piece of advice.

4sho, i didn't mean no gruff, just playing around with consiouness.

here's a good quote from ken that sums it up.

"evolution occurs in the world of time and space and form, whereas Spirit's primordial nature is finally timeless and Formless, prior to the of evolution but not other to it. We do not find Spirit or Emptiness by reaching some evolutionary Omega point in time, but rather by stepping off the cycle of time and evolution altogether (or ceasing to contract into it)." -KW

That's The Eye of Spirit, yeah?

I think. I got it from a site that said it was from "simple feeling of being..." pg.109, and I let my buddy borrow that one so can't confirm, but might be. by the way...do you know where everyone went on this forum? Seems very quite all of a sudden.