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Olympics, Democratic convenion, Bernie Mac

Last post 08-19-2008, 3:27 AM by monkmonk. 1 replies.
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  •  08-19-2008, 2:35 AM 74612

    Olympics, Democratic convenion, Bernie Mac

    This thread is a continuation of a conversation started on another thread. I have moved it here so that we don't take the other thread too off topic. I will repost Schalk's great post in full:

     

     

    Hey MonkMonk:

    Good to see you are still out there sparking. You must be limbering up for the big Dem event in Denver? Lots of interesting things coming up!

    Denver - the Tibet of the US. I am concerned about the altitude. The air is thin and rarified. Will this sap the Party?

    Regarding pin-pointing cures...

    I used to belong to this sports club. One of the guys was really gifted athletically, but ... he had massively tortured emotions. He was just one big holding tank in the chest and the emotions were clearly related to his mother, who was a very complex creature.

    So, of course, my friend is supping at the spiritual smorgasbord, tasting every New Age offering, trying to get 5 minutes of clear, restful awareness. Trying to solve an emotional problem related to a very unhealthy son-mother relationship, by finding God and discovering the laws of the metaphysical universe.

    And of course, he would often find this respite through drugs.

    As I live longer, I feel more and more strongly the need to address issues at the lowest and simplest level.

    Because, if there is a straight and simple practice that unclogs a conflict, we should engage that instead of taking the proverbial F-18 jet to the grocery store for a quart of milk.

    My official stance on the Integral journey is - let us reclaim the lower gaps and fill them in before we head to the stars. Like Tetris. You build high by filling in the foundations completely. Not by stacking rectangles on their ends.

    Regarding being and vision... 

    Yesterday, I was walking through my hometown looking at shops.

    One of the things I noticed was that there are a couple of shops that are absolutely exquisite. You get the sense that the shop is a subtle launching pad that takes you to a very wonderful or delightful inner zone. 

    And then you go into other shops, and immediately you feel that there is something wrong. They are trying too hard and doing too much and adding the wrong things in the wrong place and you just feel that there is a stuckness there. If the shop is the kind of place that you eat something, then you don't trust that the food will be good for you. You wonder about who is making it and what vibes they are putting into the food as they touch it.

    I get the strong sense that the way the first kind of shop is set up is this - the owner looks at the overall layout and "sees" with the heart what kind of result would cause them to resonate in a very nice way. They then fill in the materials by constantly checking to see if the next move resonates with this wonderful feeling.

    So, to run an exquisite shop (or anything else!) you are constantly flipping into this trans-mental "wholeness" sensing to "check" and see if what you are about to do violates the "big harmony" that you already are trusting. Like Michelangelo who would feel the finished sculpture and then simply take away chunks of marble that "got in the way" of the finished work.

    That's where my head is at right now. I get the sense that when someone is living this intimately with what they are doing, then they are really living, like the surfer right in the pocket of life's big wave, the delight.

    I've been watching the Olympics daily. One of the things that makes me feel good is that NBC has been doing a very nice job of addressing high and positive themes. There is a very fresh and wholesome spirit that is pervading their coverage of the games.

    That said, I am a bit disappointed in the quality of the intellects that are given mikes and asked to dialogue with the athletes or comment on the sporting competitions.

    For example, Andrea Kramer keeps approaching swimmers and asking questions like "so, tell me, how did you do it?" Or, "what were you thinking at the final turn?" Or, "when did you know you were going to win?" Inane. Dumb dumb remarks. I hate this. It is embarrassing. Even the swimmers hate having to talk to her.  

    The Michael Phelps story. OK, no one has ever won 8 golds before. But, why exactly is it so hard? What do you have to do to win 8 golds? What exactly does he do that makes him able to accomplish this? What has he had to give up that most of us don't have to give up that allowed for this? What happens to your life when you achieve this? Are there any problems that arise when you gain distinction like this?

    Phelps is being called the greatest Olympian because he won 8 golds. Does this make any sense? Let's say that the Chinese diver who won by a huge margin on the X meter board, got to compete also in the X+1 meter, the X+2 meter, boards with 12 different competitions ranging in slight altitude differences. He could win 12 golds probably.

    What is this greatest thing? Don't you have to compare apples and apples to make a statement like that? If no wrestler or weight lifter or kayaker can even compete in the "greatest competition" because there are not enough events for them to even try to win 8 medals, isn't there a huge flaw.

    I wish TV Land would bring some intellect and insight into these things.

    I wish they would get into the nitty gritty of the skills that go into each event and tell us about the exact rules with demonstrations.

    It would be very refreshing if we could get some real poets and historians who could bring a little more epic touch to the announcing job.

    The first job would be to show the worlds that the athletes come from, the environments that supported their training, things they had to overcome, even Integral themes about their UL and LL perspectives. Maybe I should contact NBC - London 2012 is not far away!

    I was thinking of our Kuntu conversations the other day when I heard that Bernie Mac was dead. Bernie was from Chicago. It was his world. And he did a performance at an Obama event in Chicago which led to Obama criticizing him for being profane and irresponsible. I got to thinking - Obama zapped Bernie's kuntu. Obama is King of Windy City Kuntu and he dried Bernie up with a blast of fire. Bernie did not have the angle of Rev. Wright to make a rebuttal that would bring back Kuntu. He just got scorched and ...

    I am wondering if Bernie couldn't regain his feet, couldn't find a way to get the wetness back, and slipped into drugs to salve the pain, and then just departed us, with no possible way to recover. Just thinking aloud.

      

  •  08-19-2008, 3:27 AM 74618 in reply to 74612

    Re: Olympics, Democratic convenion, Bernie Mac

    Good to see you are still out there sparking. You must be limbering up for the big Dem event in Denver? Lots of interesting things coming up!

    Hey, Schalk. Yes, very interesting indeed. Obama will probably tell us who is vp is Wednesday or Thursday, and then its off to Denver. This is going to tell us a lot about who he is. Biden? Bayh? Kaine? I think Hillary's out of it . . . If you ask me, his choice is Bayh. Not only would he put Indiana in play and help in Michigan and Ohio--the biggest battlegrounds in the whole affair--but he would unify the party vertically; he would unify the Green and Orange Democrats, Bayh having been chairman of the DLC for awhile. I really don't know whether Bayh is Orangish or Tealish, however. Don't know too much about him other than that is a fine looking and smooth politician and a DLC centrist.

    Biden seems to be the front runner, Biden who said about Obama during the primaries:

    “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    I don't know that we can have a vp who says things like that, and Biden says goofy things like that from time to time. I think he's okay, a good man--but something less than presidential. At least, the two would make a funny looking pair. He's okay, they're okay, but . . .

    Kaine is pro-choice. I don't think they were ever very serious about those three Virgians, Webb, Kaine, and Warner. I think they just want to pour some kuntu into Virginians, make them feel really important, so they come out on election day for Obama.

    I think Obama would be taking a great chance in picking Biden. Picking Bayh, a staunch Clinton supporter, would unify the party in more ways than one--but Obama may want to get in scot free, with someone more deeply loyal to him than the Clintons.

    By the way, what's the role of Michelle in all this?

    Denver - the Tibet of the US. I am concerned about the altitude. The air is thin and rarified. Will this sap the Party?

    Well, if it's good for Ken it can't be too bad for the Democrats, huh? Obama may have averted a scene from disgruntled Hillary fans, but I think there will be some protesting none the less. I wonder if Bill's going to look happy . . .

    The Democrats hold their convention in Denver, in a real swing state, in a state that could turn the election--and the Republicans hold their convention in Minneapolis, a state that's voted Republican 4 times in the last hundred years, the only state never to vote for Ronald Reagan, possibly the most liberal state in the union. Even if McCain does pick Tim Pawlenty, governor of Minnesota, as his vp, which seems to be a good possibility, I don't think they'll win Minnesota. It just doesn't give me much faith in that party that they would do this, the only state never to vote for RR and we're coming off of 8 years of G.W. . . .

    My official stance on the Integral journey is - let us reclaim the lower gaps and fill them in before we head to the stars. Like Tetris. You build high by filling in the foundations completely. Not by stacking rectangles on their ends.

    This makes sense--but how? How would that athlete, for example go about this. I know the ILP route, but how? Which? Where? Etc. What really works?

    I loved your bit about the shops, and I actually am going to attempt to employ your expertise in that regard soon. Keep an eye on your private message box . . .

    I've been watching the Olympics daily. One of the things that makes me feel good is that NBC has been doing a very nice job of addressing high and positive themes. There is a very fresh and wholesome spirit that is pervading their coverage of the games.

    Right, and I think Costas must get a good deal of the credit for that. A good-hearted, well-rounded, boomer, and he has a good hara, too, yes? The other day I was watching and he gave a short preamble about how they didn't make too much of the medal count there because it really wasn't what the games were about and then they showed for a split second to give us the information and then they were off to something else. Very tasteful, I think. Costas does a great job, I think, yes?

    Phelps--a great swimmer. You're right: the greatest Olympian swimmer, makes no sense to call him "the greatest Olympian ever" or the "greatest athlete ever." I love the Olympics. There's nothing like it, and these are good games, too. The Chinese, at least those not in jail or being suppressed, are enjoying it immensely and putting a lot of good chi into it. And into their athletes. Why are they winning so many golds?

    And the swimming is second to none in Olympics sports. I especially like the relays, and this one was absolutely incredible. 

     

    That said, I am a bit disappointed in the quality of the intellects that are given mikes and asked to dialogue with the athletes or comment on the sporting competitions.

    Oh yes, they make me cringe. Especially when they harm the kuntu of the athletes. I haven't seen that happen too badly yet myself these Olympics, but it usually does. You know what's funny? All the Americans who are crushed when they get a Silver medal. They are crushed, defeated--failures for the rest of their life! This is crazy . . .

    I was very into the Phelps saga, have been anticipating it since Athens, but the moment it was over I felt nothing, really nothing. Partially because so much of the emphasis was on him, even though he couldn't have done it without amazing performances by his teammates. And the other thing is the moment it was over it wasn't about swimming anymore it was about money. He will make 50 million a year now. He deserves it if any athlete his age deserves it, but it still it leaves me feeling empty, like the CEO who pays himself 200 million a year. Winner take all . . .

    Oh, Bernie, wow, I didn't make that connection at all, followed both things vaguely, from afar. He was hospitalized 12 days after Obama chastised him in public. I am sure there was a connection. Dead two weeks after that. That was a big night for him and after that--shame. National shame, shame in the city. I think that will take the air of out a person's sails. It's amazing how some people take that kind of thing, public figures, politicians, but some people are of a different type. They weren't made for that. Hmmmm . . . Obama's beem criticized in the past for blaming others when he or his campaign screws up--wasn't his advance team, his campaign staff as much to blame or more than Bernie? He just got up and gave his act, right?

    Well, did you see the Saddleback forum? I didn't. I started to watch a replay but then stopped. How did it go?

     

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