Hey everybody

I it has been several months since I got the ILP kit but I am having some trouble figuring out some of the practises. Like with Big mind process, I've tried it a couple of times but I feel as im not getting as deep as many people claim when they are talking about experiences from that process. Maybe its a process that is better learned straight from a teacher?

But the main thing im struggling with is the 3-2-1 process, I just dont get that. I find the first part rather easy but when it comes to the dialogue and taking another persons perspective that is where I freeze and dont quite know what I am doing. Also I dont know how to use that process for some other things like situations, feelings and these non-personal things.

So who should I talk with about some questions I have about the 3-2-1 process? its hard to find some more information about that process.

Hi, I am far from an expert on this, but i will try and help. If what I am saying seems inaccurate, please, someone more Integraly informed please step in. :)


What I find helpful is to imagine I am writing a story of someone else, and I step into the shoes,  so to speak, that they are wearing.   As I describe their clothes, or other "background" and imagine how it , their world, came to be- in that way- for the person, I can understand their perspective. From there, with those descriptions, i can then formulate a dilalogue between myself and that person that will consider their mind and place and heart.

I hope this helps.
k

Yes I get that one pretty clearly. I can the 3-2-1 process pretty ok with persons. But what if that is bothering me is a feeling, situation or things like that? How do I speak to a feeling or a situation and see it from the feelings/situation perspective?

Some pretty basic suggestions for feelings/situations.  It's likely that someone else has better insight, I hope they pipe up.

For the third person perspective it can be useful to think like a scientist or a camera, so observe and report every detail, sometimes a list of questions might help.  For me helpful questions are:
Where is it felt in the body?
What color is it?
What temperature is it?
What texture is it?
What shape is it?
What sound does it make?
Does it have a taste or ordor?
Do any of these characteristics change over time?

i.e. link the experience to your senses.

For the second person imagine not describing it, but interviewing it-
"Where did you come from?"
"What do you want?"
"What wisdom do you have?"
"If you could only tell me one thing, what would it be?"
"Why are you showing up now?"

For me the first person is always the hardest and scariest because it requires that I "redefine" myself to include the shadow element.  For me, using a Big Mind approach and asking myself simply to speak as the mind of anger or fear or whatever and simply try to become one with it and hold that identification as intimately and closely and for as long as I can usually works a bit of magic.  Until the next time it happens of course

Best of luck,

Brian

Thanks for the reply buddy.

But if you got some shadow elements about time control? Im like often late and find it a bit difficult to start doing some specific project when Im just being braindead on the internet. Would you count that as a shadow element? In that case I understand how to talk about it and in some ways how to speak to that problem, but to take the perspective of that problem? Should I personalize the problem? So time control becomes a person that I take perspective of?

A little bit confusion here.

Heya-

So you've identified something in yourself that you don't like, in this case procrastination.  I share that habit, so I'll report what happens when I  do a 3-2-1, your experience and judgements might be different. 

3.  Well I did again, I had a deadline for the presentation and I kept doing other things, checking email, surfing the web, daydreaming, having long philosphical conversations with myself and *poof* the time just disappeared.  I don't like that I do this, it feels unprofessional and like I have no control over my life.

2.  (p=voice of procastination, b=brian or self)

b:  What's going on here?  Why don't you let me do my job?

p:  What do you mean?  You want me to stop you, you pratically begged for me to stop you!

b: huh?

p: Oh don't be coy with me, you want to avoid doing that presentation, admit it...

b: Well, er, well I sorta had the feeling that I couldn't do it right, I hate to have the boss being critical, he so hard to please....

p: That's right, and it's easier just having that numb feeling of filling up time than experience that discomfort, right?

b: Uhm, yeah, I hate not knowing, I just get so disoriented, I don't know which way is up.

 

1. (Holding this experience in the "container" of Big Mind)

I am not knowing. I cannot know the future, I can see that my "past" is just a bunch vague memories filtered through God-knows-what assumptions.  So there is just this.  I feel anxious, I want to know what comes next, I want to know how to act to make it turn out all right.  I want to run until it's OK.  My breathing is faster, my gut and eyes are watery.

 

 

So, for me, the stupor of procastination had fear of not knowing underneath it.  Owning that fear exists and including it as me is good medicine. (It did liberate some energy to see that instead of just disliking myself because I procrastinate.

I think it would also be fruitful to examine how you come to a judgement about how certain tendencies are good or bad.  So while procrastination might indeed be a shadow, so also might be the judgement you have about it.  So, you have endless possibilities for "topics" to try out.

Hope you find this clarifying.  Really, you can't do it wrong if you are willing to face whatever comes up in the process of taking an object and turning it into a subject.

Best,

Brian

 

That was very illuminating pal, you really answered my question, great thanks! So there seems to be a lot of shadow basements to visit.

So I've also heard that you can have bright shadows as well. Would an example of that be like if I saw some very clever guy and feel envious because of his cleverness that I maybe cant find in myself? Or can it also be bright shadow if I see some very pretty girl and cant stop thinking about her? How does this bright shadow work?